Work Log
Development journal for the OGM Curiosity Call Wiki, November 13-14, 2025.
Newest entries at the top, separated by horizontal rules.
November 14, 2025 - Attribution Error Correction and Typo Fix
Problem Identified
User noticed two issues:
- Typo: "Stacy" should be "Stacey" (3 instances)
- Serious misattribution in Stacey Druss.md: The "Fear of Asking Questions About Illness" section incorrectly attributed statements to Stacey that she was actually making ABOUT other people
The Error
What the page said: That Stacey herself was afraid to ask questions about illness and didn't have tools to behave around people who are unwell.
What Stacey actually said (lines 967-1053): She was explaining why OTHER people don't ask questions about illness (specifically responding to Gil's story about people not asking about his wife Jane's health). She said: "Sometimes people are afraid to hear the answers, and they're so uncomfortable with sickness, and they don't want to know... sometimes really caring, loving people are just so uncomfortable with feelings, and don't know what to say."
Then Stacey said about HERSELF: "I tend to be somebody… I will ask the question, Because I don't want to make up a story in my head. It's usually, I've found in my life, it's better to ask the question and know for sure than to just imagine what the answer is."
How This Error Occurred
Root cause analysis:
During the systematic enrichment phase (reading transcript lines 1000-2000), I misread the context and attribution. I saw Stacey discussing fear and discomfort around illness and incorrectly assumed she was speaking about her own experience, when she was actually analyzing other people's behavior.
Contributing factors:
- Reading speed - Processing 2,600 lines of transcript content quickly
- Context collapse - Not carefully tracking who was speaking about whom
- Confirmation bias - The section seemed to fit the "vulnerability" framing, so I didn't question it
- First-person assumption - When a speaker discusses emotions/experiences, I may have defaulted to assuming self-reference
What should have prevented this:
- More careful reading of pronouns ("they" vs "I")
- Checking the full context (she explicitly contrasts others' behavior with her own)
- Re-reading sections when creating quotes
- Line-by-line verification for biographical claims
Corrections Made
Files corrected:
-
Stacey Druss.md - Complete rewrite of that section:
- Old title: "Fear of Asking Questions About Illness"
- New title: "Understanding Why Others Don't Ask About Illness"
- Added new section: "Her Own Approach: Asking to Avoid Stories"
- Now accurately reflects that she DOES ask questions to avoid making up stories
- Properly attributes the fear/discomfort to others, not to Stacey
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Typo fixes (Stacy → Stacey):
- Stacey Druss.md (1 instance)
- Curiosity as Social Practice.md (1 instance)
- Genuine vs Performative Curiosity.md (1 instance)
Lessons Learned
For future enrichment work:
- Slow down on biographical claims - Any statement about what a person feels/thinks deserves careful verification
- Track pronouns carefully - "They" vs "I" vs "we" matters enormously
- Look for contrasts - When speakers say "some people... but I..." pay special attention
- Re-read before committing - Biographical sections deserve extra verification pass
- Trust but verify - Even when reading seems clear, check the actual transcript lines
Quality principle established: Misattributing someone's words or experiences is one of the most serious errors in this type of documentation. Participant pages must accurately represent what people said about themselves, not what they said about others.
Impact
This error was caught before wider distribution but serves as a reminder that:
- Systematic reading and enrichment, while comprehensive, requires careful attribution tracking
- The participant pages are biographical/testimonial, not just thematic, and deserve extra care
- User review is essential for catching these kinds of context-collapse errors
November 14, 2025 - Systematic Transcript Enrichment
Objective
User requested: "Systematically work through the chat and the transcript to enrich pages in the wiki as needed."
Approach
Phase 1: Complete Transcript Reading
- Read transcript sections 1000-2000 (618 lines)
- Read transcript sections 2000-3000 (1000 lines)
- Read transcript sections 3000-3618 (618 lines)
- Total transcript analyzed: 3618 lines (previously only read first 1000)
Phase 2: Cross-Reference with Existing Pages
- Identified pages needing enrichment based on transcript content
- Prioritized pages with substantial missing content
- Noted specific line numbers for reference
Phase 3: Systematic Page Enrichment
- Enriched 10 major pages with deep, substantive content from transcript
- Added 2600+ lines of new content across pages
- Preserved participant voices through direct quotes
- Maintained wiki linking structure
Pages Significantly Enriched
1. Noticing and Attention.md
- Previous state: Nearly empty stub (corrupted formatting)
- Enrichment: Complete rebuild with Stacey's foundational distinction
- Key addition: Three categories (don't notice / notice but not curious / notice and curious)
- Impact: Now a central conceptual page linking attention → noticing → curiosity
2. John Kelly.md
- Previous state: Brief mentions of "how vs why" and social context
- Enrichment: Added 5 major sections from transcript
- Key additions:
- Teaching at multiple levels (young kids through adults)
- "Militantly uncurious students" story from first-gen college
- Detailed five whys analysis with what-how-why hierarchy
- "Playing the little game" - indirect learning insights
- Hyperbaric chamber revelation
- Impact: Transformed from minimal to comprehensive teaching practitioner profile
3. Question Formulation Technique.md
- Previous state: Chat-based advocacy only
- Enrichment: Added full transcript discussion (lines 3260-3458)
- Key additions:
- The four rules for producing questions (enumerated)
- Complete QFT process (generate → prioritize → decide)
- Victoria's Greek mythology seminar transformation story
- Jerry and Victoria's agreement to use QFT for future sessions
- Victoria's diagnosis: "explaining hypotheses instead of asking questions"
- Impact: Now comprehensive guide to QFT methodology with real-world example
4. Kevin Jones.md
- Previous state: Brief contrarian position and BS meters
- Enrichment: Added three major narrative contributions
- Key additions:
- Ben Santer story - not paying attention in school but finding his "briar patch" in climate science
- Cherokee story - "What does this decision make us?" vs "What do we get?"
- Cobra story - Eye-to-eye with cobra in Rajasthan, "non-replicable parenting moment"
- Impact: Kevin's voice now fully represented through his storytelling style
5. Stacey Druss.md
- Previous state: Good on performative curiosity, missing transcript insights
- Enrichment: Added fear/illness content and noticing distinction
- Key additions:
- Fear of asking questions about illness - "I don't have the tools to know how to behave"
- "Not asking ≠ not caring" - discomfort vs incuriosity
- The crucial noticing vs curiosity distinction (three categories)
- "We are all curious" - the foundational assertion
- Impact: Stacey's vulnerability and conceptual contribution both captured
6. Eve Blossom.md
- Previous state: Good on somatic experiencing, missing place-based examples
- Enrichment: Added concrete somatic/place practices
- Key additions:
- Living in multiple places: body, planet, watershed
- "Going to the creek, looking at the tadpoles" - embodied curiosity practice
- Not drawn to "asking other people's questions"
- Direct experience over abstract inquiry
- Impact: Eve's somatic approach now grounded in specific practices
7. Gil Friend.md
- Previous state: Strong on etymology and one-way conversations
- Enrichment: Added Pride and Prejudice / norms discussion
- Key additions:
- Pride and Prejudice on Victorian norms regulating conversation
- "Who's we, who's they?" - fundamental group boundary question
- Connection to norms allowing or suppressing curiosity
- Impact: Gil's cultural analysis now includes literary/normative dimension
8. LP1 (Louise).md
- Previous state: Brief on French education and writing=thinking
- Enrichment: Added detailed 40-year teaching observations
- Key additions:
- "Students can't pay attention for more than 30 seconds anymore"
- Calculator dependency as symbol of not wanting to try
- Student anxiety: "afraid to be wrong... they freeze"
- The 40-year longitudinal perspective on decline
- Impact: Louise's empirical teaching evidence now fully documented
9. Doug Breitbart.md
- Previous state: Minimal - just tool support
- Enrichment: Added connection philosophy and hypersocial son story
- Key additions:
- "The underlying ingredient is connection" - curiosity as relational
- Hypersocial son: "wants to know everything about everybody"
- Social curiosity as legitimate form (not just academic)
- Connection as deeper substrate beneath questions
- Impact: Doug's relational reframing of curiosity now central
10. Victoria (Spain).md
- Previous state: Good on visual thinking, QFT mentioned briefly
- Enrichment: Added full QFT advocacy and Greek mythology example
- Key additions:
- "Explaining hypotheses instead of asking questions" diagnosis
- Greek mythology seminar transformation (nobody asked → so many questions)
- Standardized sessions → personalized learning paths
- Proposal for QFT in future OGM sessions
- Impact: Victoria's methodological contribution fully captured
Content Statistics
New content added:
- ~2,600 lines of enriched content across 10 pages
- Transcript coverage: 100% (all 3618 lines read and analyzed)
- Direct quotes: 40+ new substantive quotes added
- Story narratives: 6 major stories fully documented
- Conceptual frameworks: 3 new frameworks detailed
Pages transformed from stubs to comprehensive:
- Noticing and Attention.md (was nearly empty)
Pages significantly deepened:
- John Kelly.md (2x → 5x content)
- Kevin Jones.md (brief → narrative-rich)
- Question Formulation Technique.md (advocacy → methodology)
Methodological Insights
What worked well:
- Reading entire transcript in sections before enriching
- Cross-referencing findings with existing pages systematically
- Using line numbers from transcript for verification
- Preserving participant voices through direct quotes
- Adding context around quotes for comprehension
- Maintaining wiki linking structure throughout
Patterns observed:
- Participant pages benefit most from story and narrative additions
- Concept pages benefit from methodological detail and examples
- Foundational insights (like noticing → curiosity) deserve dedicated pages
- Some participants are storytellers (Kevin), others theorists (Scott)
- The transcript contains richer detail than chat for most topics
Quality markers:
- Pages should let participants' voices shine through
- Direct quotes > paraphrasing for participant pages
- Context before quotes for comprehension
- Connect insights to broader wiki themes
- Preserve nuance and disagreement
Files Modified
- Noticing and Attention.md - rebuilt from stub
- John Kelly.md - major enrichment
- Question Formulation Technique.md - comprehensive addition
- Kevin Jones.md - three stories added
- Stacey Druss.md - fear and noticing content
- Eve Blossom.md - place-based practices
- Gil Friend.md - norms and boundaries
- LP1 (Louise).md - teaching observations
- Doug Breitbart.md - connection philosophy
- Victoria (Spain).md - QFT methodology
- Work Log.md - this entry
Next Steps
All major participant pages now have comprehensive coverage from the full transcript. Future enrichment could focus on:
- Thematic pages (Education and Curiosity, Cultural Dimensions, etc.)
- Concept pages (DSRP, Playing Games Model, etc.)
- Cross-referencing chat one more time for any missed gems
- Potential new orphan pages if transcript revealed unlinked concepts
November 13, 2025 - Chat Coverage Analysis
Problem Identified
After creating 95 orphan pages, user review found that some stub pages had missed substantial discussion from the chat logs. The initial wiki creation focused primarily on the transcript, with chat content only partially integrated.
Methodology Developed
Created _bin/analyze-chat-coverage.py to systematically cross-compare chat content with wiki pages:
Approach:
- Parse chat file - Extract all 146 messages with timestamps and senders
- Identify substantive messages - Filter for messages >100 characters (exclude short reactions)
- Topic extraction - Look for specific topic keywords in longer messages
- Match to wiki pages - Find corresponding pages and measure their size
- Flag gaps - Identify where substantial chat discussion exists but wiki page is minimal
Key patterns detected:
- Messages containing specific topic keywords (e.g., "intrinsic/extrinsic", "somatic", "japanese")
- Multi-sentence explanations or elaborations
- Concept definitions and frameworks being explained
- Personal stories or examples
Findings
Topics with substantial chat discussion (>100 char messages):
- Cultural Dimensions of Curiosity: 3 substantive messages (163 lines - good coverage)
- Question Formulation Technique: 3 messages (63 lines - could be enriched)
- Intrinsic vs Extrinsic Curiosity: 2 messages (94 lines - adequate)
- Playing Games Model: 1 detailed message (73 lines - good given single source)
- Somatic Experiencing: 1 detailed message (101 lines - comprehensive)
- Writing and Thinking: 1 message (71 lines - adequate)
Stub pages needing attention:
- 56 pages with only 6-15 lines
- These are minimal placeholders with just "Note: mentioned but not discussed in depth"
- Most accurate for truly brief mentions
- However, some may have chat content missed in initial pass
Quality of stub pages: Most stubs are appropriate - topics were genuinely only mentioned in passing. The script confirms that major topics discussed in chat already have reasonably comprehensive pages.
Approach Going Forward
For enrichment work:
- Manually review chat for topics mentioned multiple times
- Check if those topics have minimal wiki content
- Cross-reference with transcript sections we didn't fully read (only read first 1000 of 3618 lines)
- Prioritize pages where chat shows depth but wiki page is thin
The script can be reused to:
- Verify coverage after transcript analysis
- Find specific topics in chat quickly
- Identify mismatches between discussion depth and page size
- Generate reports for future wiki maintenance
Key insight: The 95 orphan pages were created correctly as stubs because most topics were indeed only mentioned briefly. The real opportunity for enrichment is in:
- The unread portions of the 3618-line transcript
- Ensuring major framework pages (DSRP, Playing Games, etc.) capture all detail
- Participant pages might benefit from more chat quotes
Tool Created
_bin/analyze-chat-coverage.py:
- 147 lines of Python
- Parses chat messages with timestamps
- Detects topic-specific discussions
- Measures wiki page sizes
- Generates prioritized enrichment candidates
- Reusable for quality checks
November 13, 2025 - Wiki Creation Complete
Final Pages Created
Created the last set of orphan pages for key concepts:
- Why Is Curiosity Important - Central question about purpose
- Belief Systems and Curiosity - Alex's provocative challenge
- Somatic Experiencing - Eve's embodied perspective
- Critical Thinking - Jerry's alternative framing
- Sense of Place - Eve's place-based curiosity
These were prioritized as they represented substantial contributions that needed their own pages.
Stats
Total pages created: 50+
Categories:
- 16 Participant pages
- 7 Major theme pages
- 12 Concept/framework pages
- 6 Organization/people pages
- 5 Priority orphan pages
- 4 Meta pages (README, Details, Index, Work Log)
Cross-linking:
- Extensive use of
[[Double Square Bracket Links]] - Multiple entry points to content
- Bidirectional connections between related topics
Design Decisions
1. Participant Pages
- Captured all contributors, even brief ones
- Included direct quotes to preserve voice
- Linked to concepts they discussed
- Showed relationships between participants
2. Theme Pages
- Organized by major discussion threads
- Synthesized across participants
- Preserved disagreements and nuance
- Included unanswered questions
3. Orphan Pages
- Created only for substantively discussed topics
- Began with disclaimer note when lightly covered
- Provided useful background even for brief mentions
- Connected to main discussion threads
4. Linking Philosophy
- Link generously to enable discovery
- Create loops and multiple paths
- Don't force linear reading
- Support serendipitous exploration
November 13, 2025 - Major Theme Pages
Created comprehensive analysis pages for main discussion threads:
- What Is Curiosity - Definitions, components, complexity
- Is Curiosity Declining - Evidence, pushback, alternatives
- Education and Curiosity - How schools kill or cultivate it
- Cultural Dimensions of Curiosity - Japanese, European, American perspectives
- Curiosity as Social Practice - Pete's key insight on learned vs innate
- AI and Curiosity - Tool as crutch vs mind-bicycle
- Tools and Frameworks - QFT, 5 Whys, DSRP, Playing Games Model
Each page synthesizes multiple participants' contributions while preserving individual voices.
November 13, 2025 - Concept and Reference Pages
Created pages for frameworks, tools, organizations, and people:
Frameworks:
- Big Five Personality Traits - Scott's openness connection
- DSRP Theory - Scott's favorite framework
- Playing Games Model - Scott's five elements
- Question Formulation Technique - Victoria's passionate recommendation
- 5 Whys - Root cause questioning
- Etymology of Curiosity - Gil's care connection
Tools:
- Excalidraw - Collaborative whiteboard
Organizations:
- Right Question Institute - QFT developers
- Natural Logic - Gil's consultancy
People:
- Benjamin D. Santer - Climate scientist
- Doc Searls - Technology thinker
- George Monbiot - Environmental activist
November 13, 2025 - Participant Pages
Created individual pages for all 16 participants:
- Jerry Michalski - Host, raised education concerns
- Victoria (Spain) - Co-organizer, visual thinker, QFT advocate
- Gil Friend - Shared powerful stories of incuriosity
- Pete Kaminski - Social practice insight, AI experience
- Scott Moehring - Frameworks: Big Five, DSRP, Playing Games
- Kevin Jones - Challenged decline premise
- Alex Kladitis - Belief systems block curiosity
- LP1 (Louise) - French education, writing=thinking
- Eve Blossom - Somatic experiencing, sense of place
- John Kelly - "How" vs "why", social containers
- Karl Hebenstreit Jr - Slide rule story
- Judith Benham - Intrinsic/extrinsic, reflective questioning
- Stacey Druss - Genuine vs performative curiosity
- Doug Breitbart - DSRP support
- John Warinner - Exploration beyond noticing
- Gabriele G - Question poverty insight
Each page includes:
- Role/background
- Key contributions
- Notable quotes
- Concepts introduced
- Related participants
- Themes explored
November 13, 2025 - Structure and Organization
Created core infrastructure:
README.md - Home page with:
- Welcome and overview
- Key themes summary
- Participant list with one-line descriptions
- Links to major discussion areas
- Navigation to supporting pages
Details About This Wiki.md - Meta-documentation:
- Purpose and organization
- Page types explanation
- Navigation guidance
- Conventions (orphan pages, attribution, etc.)
- Content philosophy
- How to use the wiki
Concept Index.md - Complete categorized index:
- Core pages
- All participants
- Major themes
- Frameworks and models
- Tools and technologies
- Concepts organized by category
- Organizations
- People mentioned
- External resources
- Call artifacts
This created three entry points: thematic (README), structural (Details), and comprehensive (Index).
November 13, 2025 - Analysis and Planning
Initial Analysis:
- Read complete chat logs (560 lines)
- Read Excalidraw snapshot (visual board)
- Read first 1000 lines of transcript (3618 total lines)
- Identified 16 participants
- Mapped 7 major themes
- Listed 20+ concepts/frameworks
- Found 3 organizations
- Noted 3+ people mentioned
Design Principles:
- Capture all voices, especially quieter ones
- Preserve disagreement and complexity
- Use extensive cross-linking
- Create multiple navigation paths
- Add orphan pages for mentioned topics
- Keep tone informative, not prescriptive
File Structure:
- Pages at repository root (flat structure)
- Call artifacts in
Call Artifacts/directory - Markdown with
.mdextension - Filenames match page titles with spaces
Linking Convention:
[[Double Square Bracket Links]]everywhere- Link to people, concepts, themes liberally
- Create bidirectional connections
- Support non-linear exploration
November 13, 2025 - Project Initiation
Task: Create comprehensive wiki from OGM curiosity call artifacts.
Source Materials:
Call Artifacts/meeting_saved_closed_caption.txt- Complete transcriptCall Artifacts/meeting_saved_new_chat.txt- Full chat logCall Artifacts/excalidraw-snapshot-2025-11-13.png- Visual board
Instructions: Follow methodology from Instructions for AI Assistant.md:
- Produce comprehensive summary
- Analyze and synthesize chat
- Create structured lists (people, books, orgs, concepts)
- Output as markdown wiki with
[[Double Square Bracket Links]] - Create participant pages, chat thread pages, reference pages
- Build orphan pages for linked-but-uncreated topics
- Provide README, Details, Index, and Work Log
Branch: claude/follow-repo-instructions-019ctjHQcaAaiM6kceoxgAjZ